AL Joins WI re: ActBlue; Yankee Pudner?
The following is a lightly edited transcript of what may be one of John Pudner’s favorite presentations — a chance for him to joke that in Alabama they call him a Yankee, while in Wisconsin he’s told he sounds like a Southern evangelical preacher. The only “fib” he tells in this section isn’t about ActBlue at all, but about Chris Farley — whose real college timeline differs a bit from the Tommy Boy legend (Pudner repeated the myth that it took Farley seven years to graduate as though it were factual for effect). If you prefer to skip ahead, scroll down to “… the Serious Part — Senator Orr’s ActBlue Bill.” This transcript is shared with permission from the event host.
This PowerPoint presentation was delivered in Alabama shortly after State Senator Arthur Orr joined his Wisconsin counterparts in introducing legislation to permanently end ActBlue’s 20-year practice of moving billions of unverified dollars to liberal causes and candidates. For those following along, you can click here to view the slides, click the image above to listen to the presentation, or simply read the transcript below.
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This transcript is shared with permission from the event host.
Introduction by host Marty Connors — who became GOP Chair when Pudner ran his first statewide effort (1999), and when Republicans finally captured the Governor’s Mansion (2002), ending decades of Democratic control of not only the governorship but also the Legislature and the Supreme Court — and no Democrat has been elected governor since his tenure as Chair:
Fantastic. One of my favorite folks, John Pudner. Started here years ago at ALFA, was the brains behind their political operations, started a conservative PAC and C4, and now he’s spent a lot of time up in Wisconsin. That’s a strange place to go — I’d like to hear a little about that. And the other thing John does every year, which is rather annoying because it’s never accurate, is the NCAA basketball brackets. He gets wrong consistently.
John Pudner:
Nate Silver and I have met in person and talked about how much we hate brackets because once you get to that point (one and done), it’s random.
Host:
Anyway, his topic today is freedom, dark money, and ActBlue — a very interesting subject. We’ll likely see this in the governor’s race this time. So, John, go ahead.
The Fun Part – Is Pudner a Yankee…
John Pudner:
Absolutely. My main topic today is how unverified money has flowed into campaigns for years from the left, primarily through ActBlue. This is outside the normal safeguards. And now we finally have a bill we got through the Wisconsin Assembly, and Senator Arthur Orr is introducing it here — my two main states.
There are two purposes today:
- Please ask your legislator to sign on as a co-sponsor. I talked to Arthur again this morning — he wants to introduce it on day one (the first day the legislature is in Session after the New Year) with as many co-sponsors as possible.
- A shorter topic I’ll get to after I defend myself on one recurring accusation: that I’m a Yankee.
John Pudner:
Let’s go to the second slide. I need to make sure you understand: John Pudner is not a Yankee. This comes up periodically. Yes, I have now lived a few years in Wisconsin, but I need to justify that before getting to the main topics. (laughter from audience). Let’s go to the next slide.
Host:
Don’t stay on Chris Farley?
John Pudner:
Oh, we are staying on Chris Farley — that’s Chris when I was with him in college. You could not tackle Chris in rugby. He really did take seven years to graduate, which is why I overlapped with him. Tommy Boy is accurate. (FACT CHECK – Pudner was joking about the 7 years, Tommy Boy was not accurate as Farley was a sophomore when Pudner arrived as a freshman).
My first few years in Wisconsin were rough — barely passed. As a Southern boy moving up to the only state that still had an 18 year old drinking age, so those two years are a blemish on my record, but …
… then Chris left and Scott Walker came. We signed up 4,000 of 6,000 Marquette students for “Marquette Students for Life.” Two-thirds of campus was in the pro-life group. I was news editor of the paper. We took over the paper’s editorial board for the first time in 80 years. We endorsed Robert Bork for Supreme Court. The faculty wished they could have gotten rid of us (laughing). So, I’m trying to justify those years up there.
A couple of years ago, Chris LaCivita — one of my best friends from Virginia — who would eventually run Trump’s campaign, and others mentioned that they were worried no one in Wisconsin knew how to turn out churches like we did (Faith and Freedom groups). So they said, “Pudner, we need you.” We had 500,000 conservative churchgoing Wisconsinites who did not vote in 2020. My mission was to find them.
We got 402,000 comparison pieces out. I led a surrogate tour with Vivek and Kash Patel. I joke that Trump was down two points in Wisconsin when we started that surrogate tour, and up two points by the time we were done, but you never know cause and effect.
Last silly slide: this is my evidence that I’m not a Yankee. For 51 of my 60 years, I’ve lived within an hour of one of the capitals of the Confederacy — Montgomery or Richmond. A few other years…
… I lived within an hour of a town burned down by Sherman — Atlanta. So the nine Wisconsin years do not make me a Yankee.
Even Ron Maxwell, who produced Gods and Generals, vouches for me. And believe it or not, when I speak in Wisconsin, they say I sound like a Southern evangelical pastor. Down here, everyone calls me a Yankee. So I have no home.
“And yes — my 12th great-grandmother is Pocahontas. The state’s great historian David Azbell is here, so that’s my case to him, and we’re opening our second office after Milwaukee in Vestavia Hills (Alabama) soon — we’re here. (Unfortunately, Azbell — who stands out as Alabama’s most insightful interpreter of its past, bringing the state’s history to life with exceptional clarity and depth — later began his presentation with, ‘And Pudner, I still think you are a YANKEE.’)”
Okay — on to the serious part.
… the Serious Part – Senator Orr’s ActBlue Bill
This is Senator Orr’s bill that would permanently stop ActBlue’s practice of flooding unverified money into campaigns. When you’re in a competitive state like Wisconsin, your opponent announces and has $50,000 in their account two days later. They can do the same in next year’s governor’s race here. They’ve done this for 20 years. Stopping it has been my obsession for the last decade. Senator Orr’s bill would finally do it.
To be clear: in 2024 I spent 90% of my time in Wisconsin getting those 402,000 comparison pieces into conservative hands. For the next several campaigns (and pending funding for a voter registration effort in Wisconsin), I’m spending 80% of my time on Alabama campaigns. I’m not here to talk about that today — just clarifying.
We use the Wisconsin model (Freedom and Family Action) in Alabama and a few other states to pass legislation like this. We don’t try to be API who oversees comprehensive legislative change to make Alabama a great place to live — we focus on our niche. I spent a few years in banking developing the first home-banking software. We know this issue. We know how the money moves. We understand how a programmer in China can assign American names to ActBlue donations.
If you look at the two arrows on the slide where the money is moving, the first arrow – or speed bump – ActBlue could stop it. Until they were under investigation the last few months they choose not to. Bank processors could stop it — but ActBlue threatens to take away their business if they try to verify basic things like address or CVV code. For 20 years, ActBlue has been the only major processor to forbid verification.
Once we got access to the data — and my data guy Matt Braynard (Trump 2016 data director) worked on it — we found that in one year $347 million came from people listed as “unemployed.” You can decide if that’s plausible.
The only place to stop this is at the processor level. That’s why this legislation is designed the way it is. It’s not a headline bill — it’s functional.
ActBlue’s defense is, “You can’t prove those aren’t real unemployed Americans donating hundreds of millions.”
We reply: “And you can’t prove it isn’t a Bank of China programmer.” Peter Schweizer and I brought in a programmer who built a program in one day that could move $1 million an hour using fake American names. No fingerprints. Undetectable.
So which seems more logical?
This was the only time President Trump retweeted me — so I’ll take my three seconds of fame.
ActBlue technically reports every donation, but the FEC couldn’t make the data public because ActBlue processes so much money that it would overwhelm their public servers. We were the first to pull all the data by Matt going to the FEC to get it on thumb drives.
Four percent of Americans were unemployed, at a time ActBlue’s donor file showed almost half of their money coming from “unemployed donors.” That’s 4.7 million supposedly unemployed people donating to left-wing causes. That’s what broke everything open.
Step 1 – Some of the first doors I canvassed in Wisconsin was for Brian Stiel, who as a Congressional Committee Chair launched an investigation. The heat got so intense that ActBlue’s top seven executives quit. Even the New York Times noted the disarray. They’re still processing money, but they’re under pressure.
Step 2 – Then we got legislation moving. Legislators from various states told us: “You must get this through at least one chamber somewhere.” We worked through all the traps, wording issues, and concerns. We got it through the Wisconsin Assembly. We testified, Democrats attacked it, and we worked through it.
The kit now exists — testimony, articles, Washington Post coverage from 2008 showing ActBlue passed hundreds of thousands into Obama’s campaign using a fake donor. It’s all documented, and we’ve run the traps on this legislation.
One of the last objections came from a very liberal Milwaukee legislator who claimed the bill disenfranchises overseas Americans because it requires an American address for a contribution. But the bill clearly allows that: you use the address you use to register to vote.
His basic charge is that we want this bill to disenfranchise overseas Americans from donating just like he would believe Voter ID disenfranchises Americans from voting.
However, this charge is just as bogus as their argument against Voter ID. The fact is anyone overseas can donate simply by using their last U.S. address — even if the place they lived when they were last in the US no longer exists. That’s how federal law already works. So the argument collapses.
If when I left my Shelton Mills address in Auburn, Alabama a few years ago I had moved to Beijing instead of Milwaukee, I could still vote in Alabama using that address. In fact, even if my townhouse there was demolished because a developer was building luxury housing, I could still use that address as my registration address and vote in Alabama for the rest of my life UNLESS I moved back to America and then had a newer American address.
The only hypothetical person blocked would be someone who CARES SO LITTLE about the American voting system and policy that they don’t take this simple step to register to vote, and that SAME PERSON CARES SO MUCH about the American voting system they want to donate to campaigns. That person doesn’t exist. A person can either be in the top segment of the pyramid slide, or the bottom – not both. Which leads to my final slide:
Final Ask:
If you believe only Americans should donate to American elections…
If you believe this bill does for campaign money what voter ID does for voting — simply says “you are who you say you are”…
Then please ask your legislator to co-sponsor.
ActBlue is currently verifying addresses because of pressure. Great — then let’s just codify it so bad actors can’t revert.
There is no bill number yet — Senator Orr wants to introduce it with a strong list of co-sponsors on day one.